English Connection for a Different Susanne deMouilpied

Below is an email from Bob. The deMouilpied connection goes back to Suzanne deMouilpied.
Thanks for sharing Bob! ... Can anyone help?

"I do not have much more information than was included in the spreadsheet that I forwarded. This information was obtained in the main from the 1841, 1851 and 1881 Census that I looked at at the St Peter Port Central Library during a visit to Guernsey about 10 years ago. I was at that time more interested in my wife's Phillips family who had a tobacconists shop in Fountain Street, St Peter Port and also my ancestor who married in the Town church in St Peter Port in 1815. It was during that visit and research on the Phillips family that I became aware of the de Moulpied connection.

The de Moulpied information that I have gleaned from the Census is that Nancy Moulpied was born about 1814, living in Fountain St at the time of the Census, and her mother was Susan de Moulpied born about 1776 and eventually living with her daughter.

Janet Phillips is the one more interested in this branch of the family and she would be happy for you to include this information in your Blog."

Cousin in England from Susanne deMouilpied b. 1803

So here you go. A cousin from England found some deMouilpied roots here online. I will copy the email for you all to read below. What is exciting is the Suzanne in question is right on the chart that is on the blog dated Oct. 19, 2008 - The Descendants List. So here goes from Christine and Michael:

"hi,i saw your blog while doing research on my wifes family tree,we have a jean le lacheur (my wifes line) b.1781 son of guillaume le lacheur and ester simon.jean marries (13june 1805) susanne de mouillepied daughter of nicholas de mouillepied b1746 d.1842 and mother marguerite martin b1749 d1842 they had a son isaac who marries rachel vaudin they then had 3 children, james,gustavus,adelphus.

gustavus turns up next in the states (u.s.a ) where he marries mary louise who is an 8th.generation descendant of "william brewster of the mayflower"leader of the pilgrims of plymouth colony (see boston library,BREWSTER ANCESTRY LINE ,their marriage is entered in the records ) i hope this might be of interest"

(me) Nicolas b.1746 is the seventh generation near the bottom of the first page of the descendant list, that is where I found it. His daughter Susanne (8th generation) is actually on the second page. Nicolas had a lot of children! Our common grandparent is Nicolas b. 1721, generation 6.

"dear Deborah, We live in Fakenham, North Norfolk,England.I am norfolk born and bred ( we are nicknamed carrot crunches ! ) ,my wife christine has roots in Guernsey on mother and fathers side with family members still living there.I will send you an invitation to view my tree on ancestry if you click the link it will take you to our tree, you will find marriage entries for Jean and Susanne which you might find interesting.Am i correct in saying this would make you and christine distant cousins ? all the best Deborah.Christine and michael2008/11/8"

From me (Debby) We would have in common the 6 th generation and believe Joseph, my GGGreat Grandfather was generation 10, so I would be generation 14 so we are 8th cousins? maybe something removed too.? there is a link to understanding cousins on the side of my blog, down the left side.
Thanks again and I will post this.

Joseph deMouilpied - America's East Coast de Mouilpied Patriarch

Joseph deMouilpied was born in Guernsey on June 5, 1824.I (I have one source that says June 22, 1824) He was baptized at St. Martin's Church, the seed of all de Mouilpieds. Joseph was the seventh child born to Thomas de Mouilpied b. 1780 and Marie Blondel deMouilpied b. 1786. Joseph's siblings were:

Marie b. 1810
Thomas b. 1812
Rachel b.1814
Jean b.1816
Sophie b.1818
Charlotte b.1821

We know only a little about him. We do know that he was a minister of the Anglican Faith. Joseph did marry Sophie (Joseph also had a sister Sophie, love the name) Ogier on October 16, 1848. My notes say they were married in St. Martin's Parish.

I recall coming across something that said Joseph attended Elizabeth College, perhaps preparing him for being a minister. Verification of this would be wonderful.

Joseph had three children before he left Guernsey for Canada. Their baptisms were recorded in St. Martin's Parish as:
Emilie Sophia b. Sept. 13, 1849, ( d. Dec. 13, 1904)
Sophie Hamelin b. Sept.17, 1850 (d.?)
Francis Arthur b. Nov. 20, 1852, (d. Seattle, Washington,he remains the mystery child)

The last three children were born in Canada, they were:
Charles b. April 7, 1854, d. May, 22, 1929
Walter b. April 4, 1857, d. ? 1929
Alfred b. March 12, 1861, d. Sept.5, 1925

So we think Joseph arrived in Canada in 1853. His first official sighting is as the first permanent Minister for the St. Peter's Church in Malbay in 1860. Some entrees refer to Joseph as a missionary. Perhaps he was temporary before 1860, for all the local little churches. Joseph was at this church for almost 10 years.

Joseph then transferred to Saint Bartholomew's in Nicolet, near Trois Rivieres, Quebec in 1869. I have some copies of church records that he signed. It was a thrill to see his actual hand writing of the entrees for births, marriages and deaths. Unfortunately there wasn't a lot of action which is perhaps why the church seemed to go out of action. Not surprised given that he was trying to minister a Protestant church in Catholic Quebec. The church has since burned down. He stayed in Nicolet until either 1873 or 1877, I have 2 different records.

We have been told that Joseph did some time ministering on an Indian reservation near Montreal, but we cannot verify it. There are also some entrees for Montreal but just a date. His wife Sophie died 1876 but we can not find the records about her death or where she is buried. We also can not find any records about their daughter Sophie.

The younger 3 boys, Charles, Walter and Alfred attended the local Seminaire de Nicolet from 1870-1875.

Three of Joseph's children remained in Canada: Emily, Sophie and Walter. The other 3 "boys" left Canada and headed for Lowell, Massachusetts, America. And that's another blog...

Joseph eventually came to America, at least by 1900, where he shows up on a Census in Manchester , New Hampshire living with his son, Alfred. It is a guess to say he moved to live out his life with family after having lost his wife and having no remaining children near by in Canada. Joseph died in Manchester, NH on March 19,1903. He is buried at the Pine Grove Cemetery, on Brown Ave in the de Mouilpied Family plot, located in the Chapel Lawn section, lot number 3707, along with his son Charles's family. Joseph other son Alfred, has a separate plot.

What a life he must have had. Early-Mid 1880's in quiet Guernsey and then taking such risk to move to Canada to minister with the hardships of such a remote area. And then finishing his life in bustling Manchester, the heart of mill yards and the industrial revolution. Oh the changes he would have witnessed: first cameras, electricity and cars. And you just have to love those mutton chops on his face! Joseph was my great-great grandfather.

Vaurioufs - deMouilpied Homestead

I was able to dig up these photos provided by a cousin, of the Vaurioufs homestead in St. Martins, Guernsey, the heart of de Mouilpieds. This is where Thomas b. 1780 lived with his wife Marie Blondel, and their many children. I believe that his son, Thomas, continued to live there but I am not sure. I'm also not sure when they obtained the home. Census reports would probably confirm some of this. Anyone have information?

Cousin Kathy has been inside and has lots more photos that I hope to get posted some day. I have seen the photos and the current owners have done a magnificent job renovating. It is a spectacular old place.

If you double click on the photo it enlarges a little bit.

Enjoy!

deMouilpied and Blondel Family Coats of Arms

This is the colored version of the de Mouilpied Family Coat of Arms. Also included on the right, is the Coat of Arms from the Blondel family. Thomas de Mouilpied, over in the left column there, was married to Marie Blondel, also pictured over on the left. These are the oldest photos known from the deMouilpied family.

DOUBLE CLICK ON THE COATS AND THEY WILL ENLARGE

Anyway, these coats are from another cousin who had them and aren't they wonderful! This dates back to the late 1500's. As a reminder, this Coat refers to a "Du Port, Seigneur de Mouillepie et de Boismasson."

There are several Blondel Coats but this is the one passed down to Marie. Supposedly there is a Blondel Coat of Arms in the St. Saviour Church on Guernsey up at the top of a column. I am hoping someone will visit the church and report back letting us know if it is the same. As I explained in a previous blog, families would alter Coats as they changed generations and/or families.

Australian Cousin Responds - for Betsy de Mouilpied

Roger from Australia has been in contact. Here you go:

My great grandmother on my mother's side was Betsy Tardif de Moulpied b. Dec. 26, 1873, (listed in the St. Martin's Church birth records) from the Channel Isles. She married a La Galle, also from The Channel Isles in the late 1890s and went to live in India where my Great Granfather's regiment was posted. After he died (1919?) My Grandfather, his two brothers and one sister, with their mother migrated to Australia (around 1920).

Now, I was responding to the last two posts:

1. While Grandma La Galle as she was known, was the only de Moulpied that we know of, we do use the space between the de and the Moulpied part.

2. We also pronounce de Moulpied as described by the Guernseyman.

There must be quite a few de Moulpieds in the US. So far I can only find one here in Australia.
I would be interested in hearing from any others in Australia.

Well done for putting the blog up and the information contained. It's prompted me to look for my family tree notes that I have stored somewhere. I am happy to send relevant details of names, births and deaths etc of what I have here regarding the de Moulpieds if I can find it.

Grandma was a lovely lady, She died in about 1964 or 65. I can barely remember her. Mum used to take us to visit her. I still remember a painting she had on the wall in the lounge-room of men working in the rain trying to repair a dam that was bursting.

rtyshing@bigpond.com

PS on my father's side we have an interesting story to tell of the Tyshings. Interesting mix too -Guernseyman and Chinese!!

BUT THERE'S MORE!

Betsy Tardif de Mouilpied was born in 1873 (possibly in England) but the family was back on Guernsey by the time of the 1881 census she had a brother Thomas John who it says in my notes died in 1882 but I have no birthdate yet. The census records they were living at Moulin Huet Rd, St Martin, Guernsey

Their parents were Thomas John de Mouilpied who is listed on the 1881 census as a Carpenter who was born in 1843 and died in 1891 his wife was Marthe Manger (as shown in the records) or maybe Mauger (as I have in my notes) who died in 1912.

Betsy married Alexander Charles La Galle in 1899. If she hadn’t left Guernsey by then it must have been very soon after as my Grandfather was born in March 1900 in Sangor in India where his father was posted

That’s all I have in the notes I’ve found from a de Mouilpied perspective The only new bits I gained from them were the dates of death of both her parents, Her father’s middle name (which is useful as there are so many Thomases and Betsys (mostly spelt Betsey) and Betsy’s date of marriage

There seems to be a bit of an interesting quirk with the middle names of girls Betsy’s was Tardif which may possibly be a maiden name of her father’s mother. The reason I think this is that Betsy’s daughter was given de Mouilpied as a second name. So while it’s not consistant there may be a pattern of maiden names being passed on as second names.

Descendant List of deMouilpieds

Well here it is. Not exactly what I had in mind but I was not able to attach it in slide show format. However, I believe this is at least readable for you. Pardon the scribbles from over the years however they might be helpful. We do have more details in proper genealogy format thanks to cousin Kathy which is available and will be in the future, so stay tuned.

Please note that half way down the page, a Nicolas b. 1819, generation 9, son of Nicolas and Rachel Martin is the father of the Mid west deMoulpieds. Just below him is Jean b. 1822, who went to Australia. On the second page below you can see Joseph b.1829, father of the East Coast deMouilpieds. The common grand parent these 2 lineages share goes back to Nicolas b.1721, generation 6, married to Rachel Thoume.

As you can see this needs modernizing! But for the moment, where do you fit in?

de Mouilpied Descendants

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Who Was Charlotte de Mouilpied?

Charlotte b. April1, 1821, was Thomas de Mouilpied's 6th child, out of 7, and 3 years older than Joseph. At 27, Charlotte married Francis de la Mare, a Reverend from Jersey. This was his second marriage after his first wife, Marguerite Gavey, died during the birth of her second child. As an instant mother, Charlotte and her new husband set sail for Gaspe, Canada. Charlotte's first child, Theophilus, was probably born in Gaspe, around 1850, but later died in 1852 from diphtheria. Charlotte was busy having almost one child every year. Alpheus, whose grand daughter shared the lovely photos for the Thomas Slide Show, was born on April 23, 1853, Gaspe. Two more children would die before Charlotte would return to Guernsey, only momentary.

Charlotte's husband was sent to Mauritius and Africa to minister. It is thought that Charlotte also went, leaving the children behind in Guernsey. Upon returning from South Africa, Francis was washed over board in 1869.

In the meantime, Alpheus, at only 15, headed to America to make his fortune in 1868. Charlotte's other son, Clarence b. April 10, 1862 ( we have so many photos of him) headed to Rio de Janerio. The story goes that Clarence was told to stay on board to avoid yellow fever but he had a reputation for being naughty. And so Clarence did indeed become ill and died May 4, 1884, in Rio.

Charlotte stayed in Guernsey, living next door to her father's manor house until her death at 88 on May 31, 1902.